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		<title>By: Take My Advice - I&#8217;m Not Using It!  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; Design and Creativity</title>
		<link>http://www.robinsblog.com/03242005/basic-steps-to-create-the-site-in-an-hour/comment-page-1/#comment-88</link>
		<dc:creator>Take My Advice - I&#8217;m Not Using It!  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; Design and Creativity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 May 2005 22:32:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]  a column in IE JavaScript must be used.  We used the min-width IE JavaScript hack for the Site-in-an-Hour exercise, but we discovered that the JavaScript actually locks up IE when the browsers is resized [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...]  a column in IE JavaScript must be used.  We used the min-width IE JavaScript hack for the Site-in-an-Hour exercise, but we discovered that the JavaScript actually locks up IE when the browsers is resized [...]</p>
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		<title>By: David Hucklesby</title>
		<link>http://www.robinsblog.com/03242005/basic-steps-to-create-the-site-in-an-hour/comment-page-1/#comment-23</link>
		<dc:creator>David Hucklesby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Mar 2005 18:48:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Odd. It works perfectly for me in Firefox! Using version 1.0.2.
Regards. David.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Odd. It works perfectly for me in Firefox! Using version 1.0.2.<br />
Regards. David.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin</title>
		<link>http://www.robinsblog.com/03242005/basic-steps-to-create-the-site-in-an-hour/comment-page-1/#comment-22</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Mar 2005 16:41:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, the min/max script does seem to cause a lock up when I attempt to resize the window.  I have one more file without the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.robinsblog.com/siteinanhour/noscriptoverflow.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;ie7-standard.js and overflow&lt;/a&gt;.  No lockups, but no min/max width in IE.

I still don&#039;t think I would use the overflow option; in a non-maximized Firefox window it causes an extra set of both horizontal and vertical scroll bars (using both hidden and auto). Not the desired result.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, the min/max script does seem to cause a lock up when I attempt to resize the window.  I have one more file without the <a href="http://www.robinsblog.com/siteinanhour/noscriptoverflow.htm" rel="nofollow">ie7-standard.js and overflow</a>.  No lockups, but no min/max width in IE.</p>
<p>I still don&#8217;t think I would use the overflow option; in a non-maximized Firefox window it causes an extra set of both horizontal and vertical scroll bars (using both hidden and auto). Not the desired result.</p>
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		<title>By: David Hucklesby</title>
		<link>http://www.robinsblog.com/03242005/basic-steps-to-create-the-site-in-an-hour/comment-page-1/#comment-21</link>
		<dc:creator>David Hucklesby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Mar 2005 06:15:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correction to the IE 5.01 result. The min-max code does not work.

Regards. David.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correction to the IE 5.01 result. The min-max code does not work.</p>
<p>Regards. David.</p>
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		<title>By: David Hucklesby</title>
		<link>http://www.robinsblog.com/03242005/basic-steps-to-create-the-site-in-an-hour/comment-page-1/#comment-20</link>
		<dc:creator>David Hucklesby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Mar 2005 06:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robin,
Regarding the lack of color below the footer when using overflow:hidden in IE that you noted in class: I notice that you have left in the float-clearing rule for IE. That&#039;s the * html list of selectors with declaration of &quot;height:1%&quot;. Try removing that rule and see if the footer is okay with overflow:hidden now.
(I can&#039;t reproduce the effect here.)

BTW - Viewing Andrew&#039;s original in Opera 7.54 I see a similar lack of color.

As to the IE weirdness - I get IE locking up when I view Andrew&#039;s code on his site. I have tried clearing the cache before loading his page again, and find the browser crashes repeatedly, every time I reduce the browser width sufficiently.

Using Windows XP SP2, IE version 6.0.2900.2180.xpsp_sp2_rtm.040803-2158.

IE 5.5 does not crash, but retains the minimum width after narrowing then widening the window. IE 5.01 works fine, but does not center the content (as you&#039;d expect).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robin,<br />
Regarding the lack of color below the footer when using overflow:hidden in IE that you noted in class: I notice that you have left in the float-clearing rule for IE. That&#8217;s the * html list of selectors with declaration of &#8220;height:1%&#8221;. Try removing that rule and see if the footer is okay with overflow:hidden now.<br />
(I can&#8217;t reproduce the effect here.)</p>
<p>BTW &#8211; Viewing Andrew&#8217;s original in Opera 7.54 I see a similar lack of color.</p>
<p>As to the IE weirdness &#8211; I get IE locking up when I view Andrew&#8217;s code on his site. I have tried clearing the cache before loading his page again, and find the browser crashes repeatedly, every time I reduce the browser width sufficiently.</p>
<p>Using Windows XP SP2, IE version 6.0.2900.2180.xpsp_sp2_rtm.040803-2158.</p>
<p>IE 5.5 does not crash, but retains the minimum width after narrowing then widening the window. IE 5.01 works fine, but does not center the content (as you&#8217;d expect).</p>
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		<title>By: Robin</title>
		<link>http://www.robinsblog.com/03242005/basic-steps-to-create-the-site-in-an-hour/comment-page-1/#comment-19</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Mar 2005 01:47:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, so we discovered that overflow and min-width/max-width do not mix.  So we removed the two tags from the #outer declaration like this: 

&lt;code&gt;
#outer {
    margin:0 auto;
	width:94%;
   	border:10px solid #fff;
	border-width:0 10px;
    background:#fff;
	overflow:hidden;
}
&lt;/code&gt;

IE no longer locks up at first, but we no longer have a nice min-width for our columns; you can see the results &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.robinsblog.com/siteinanhour/indexhiddenminmax.htm&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;. Upon further testing I had something really strange happen that I&#039;ve duplicated on three machines in IE.

I open the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.robinsblog.com/siteinanhour/index.html&quot;&gt;original  correct code&lt;/a&gt; in IE and it  works perfectly.  

Then I open the page with  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.robinsblog.com/siteinanhour/indexhiddenminmax.htm&quot;&gt;overflow:hidden and min-width/max-width removed&lt;/a&gt;; it also opens without a problem.

I switch back to the original correct code and resize the window (I was testing the min-width/max-width) and IE freezes up again.  I have duplicated this on five machines.  I suspect if I remove the link to the ie7-standard.js file the freezing would stop.  

While it was fun to tweak with the overflow:auto and overflow:hidden, they don&#039;t seem to be IE friendly under all circumstances.  The original float clearing method that Andrew recommends seems to be much more reliable in all browsers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, so we discovered that overflow and min-width/max-width do not mix.  So we removed the two tags from the #<a href="http://search.twitter.com/search?q=%23outer" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" title="Search Twitter for &quot;outer&quot;">outer</a> declaration like this: </p>
<p><code><br />
#<a href="http://search.twitter.com/search?q=%23outer" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" title="Search Twitter for &quot;outer&quot;">outer</a> {<br />
    margin:0 auto;<br />
	width:94%;<br />
   	border:10px solid #<a href="http://search.twitter.com/search?q=%23fff" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" title="Search Twitter for &quot;fff&quot;">fff</a>;<br />
	border-width:0 10px;<br />
    background:#fff;<br />
	overflow:hidden;<br />
}<br />
</code></p>
<p>IE no longer locks up at first, but we no longer have a nice min-width for our columns; you can see the results <a href="http://www.robinsblog.com/siteinanhour/indexhiddenminmax.htm">here</a>. Upon further testing I had something really strange happen that I&#8217;ve duplicated on three machines in IE.</p>
<p>I open the <a href="http://www.robinsblog.com/siteinanhour/index.html">original  correct code</a> in IE and it  works perfectly.  </p>
<p>Then I open the page with  <a href="http://www.robinsblog.com/siteinanhour/indexhiddenminmax.htm">overflow:hidden and min-width/max-width removed</a>; it also opens without a problem.</p>
<p>I switch back to the original correct code and resize the window (I was testing the min-width/max-width) and IE freezes up again.  I have duplicated this on five machines.  I suspect if I remove the link to the ie7-standard.js file the freezing would stop.  </p>
<p>While it was fun to tweak with the overflow:auto and overflow:hidden, they don&#8217;t seem to be IE friendly under all circumstances.  The original float clearing method that Andrew recommends seems to be much more reliable in all browsers.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin</title>
		<link>http://www.robinsblog.com/03242005/basic-steps-to-create-the-site-in-an-hour/comment-page-1/#comment-18</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Mar 2005 00:54:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, I have tested overflow:hidden;  on the #outer declaration and IE locks up also.  You can see the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.robinsblog.com/siteinanhour/indexhidden.htm&quot;&gt;test with overflow:hidden here&lt;/a&gt;.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, I have tested overflow:hidden;  on the #<a href="http://search.twitter.com/search?q=%23outer" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" title="Search Twitter for &quot;outer&quot;">outer</a> declaration and IE locks up also.  You can see the <a href="http://www.robinsblog.com/siteinanhour/indexhidden.htm">test with overflow:hidden here</a>.</p>
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